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I'm gun poor. I haven't taken much of an interest before now. I have only a .22 semi-auto rifle (Winchester, tube loader) and a 12 ga. Remington 870 pump. I've had 'em both for 30 years but I doubt I've shot either of them in the past 15.
I'm budgeting everything I can to survival prep, and I've got to get started on food and other supplies too. I think putting away at least a 3 month supply of food has got to take highest priority, so I won't have a lot to spend on guns/ammo for a couple of months. What strategy would you recommend for gun prep given my current situation? Buy ammo for my existing arms before I buy another gun? I think that would make the most sense, but would like other thoughts. Is it better to get ammo mail order or locally? If local, is there a paper trail when paying cash, i.e., signatures, recording DL#? I assume there is always a paper trail for mail order, and I don't fancy letting it be known if I decide to stock up to 10,000 rounds per firearm. For the 12 gauge, what's a good general purpose shot size, or should I have different sizes, and is there a particular brand or construction that is better from a reloading perspective? Any recommendation for particular type of .22 rounds? The rifle can take longs and LR. Since rimfire cartridges can't be reloaded, I guess you compensate by buying more of them. What type gun would you recommend for my next gun purchase? What uses a readily available, relatively economical, and easily reloadable cartridge? I'm just trying to gather ideas so I add them to my list of prep items and begin to prioritize them. |
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12 ga. shotgun is the most gun you need.
I prefer number 4 shot for home defense. get 200 shells get 22 LR 5000 bullets they are cheap. From Walmart. get a pistol you can carry. look at kel-tec 9mm. I want it, maybe because I can not have it (in Komiefornia), but people like these guns. tt-33 and cz-52 are also very interesting toys to have ammo got cheap just now for a short period. get some bullets for this. after that look into an AK variant. Like http://savvysurvivor.com/saiga_rifles.htm For general gun advice go to the http://www.thehighroad.org |
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Thanks for the help guys.
Suburbs, and I'll work out budget over the next few days, but probably just enough to buy some ammo this month. The FRNs don't go far. |
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You must get some sort of pistol. a rifle will ony be good is certain cases pistol can be hidden which IMO is paramount. T |
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funny I always thought that "gun poor" meant that I was poor because I spent all my money on guns. :D
Since you said your 22 and 870 are very old, I would make sure that they are still in good shape. Take them to a gunsmith for a check out. Then buy lots of ammo. 22 can still be had for under 3c/rd. For home defense on the 870 get buckshot. Then buy two handguns that use the same magazines and ammo. Personally I like the 1911A1 style in 45ACP, but some make a good case for Glock. Just make sure it is a fairly common magazine and calibre. I would also recommend a 30 cal rifle. Just got a Yugo M70 with underfolding stock from AIM Surplus and love it. Good luck. |
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I like the idea of a hundgun and rifle combo that uses the same ammo
IE 44 magnum revolver with lever action rifle. then get spares ammo and reloading gear to suit this. also when they start taking back our guns autos and military style rifles will be the first that they concentrate on. california has effectively started this with that auto stamping law and mag capacity laws. |
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A very good AK for $569: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/prog...asp?Prodid=446
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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur � what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! "If. . . if . . . We didn't love freedom enough. And even more � we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! . . . We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." (Note 5, page 13, Vol. 1, The Gulag Archipelago, by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn) |
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First and foremost though, start/continue your food preps. Not as sexy as a new gun, but from your post, more needed at this point in time. |
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Gotta agree with MM. NEVER.......I repeat NEVER DISARM..... The man or women with a pistol in their hand is the LAST LINE OF DEFENSE against tyranny.If it ever gets where they are bold enough to do a round up....understand: YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE AND YOU HAD BEST FIGHT LIKE THE DEVIL WHEN THEY SHOW UP. T |
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I'd just like to offer an alternative to 'never disarm'. Keep a couple of old (non-functional?) guns on hand. If you're ordered to surrender arms ... give them up freely. Why start the fight on their terms? After all, if you're holding a CCW permit ... they know you've got them. Hand over a couple of hulks and they mark you as 'safe'.
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I own several handguns. Both revolvers and semiauto.
While I appreciate what the the folks are saying about getting a pistol, I have to disagree. But ONLY slightly. AK Pistol For the price of a new Glock or almost ANY good handgun these days, you can pick up a new AK pistol. IT IS fairly concealable if you have the correct sling and don't mind wearing a jacket. Three out of four seasons that won't seem odd to anyone (at least not here in Denver). Mine shipped either Wednesday or Thursday. Plus it gives you a 'MBR' AND a pistol, all rolled into one. If you want to get a pistol, I concur with the TT33, though these days, short of paying a premium, I'm unaware of anyone selling CZ52's anymore. There are some listed on Guns America, but as I've said, they are not cheap. The Romanian TT33 can be had for around $200 (add s&h) and ammo is still about $120 per thou in a spam can from AIM ammunition. I wouldn't worry too much about being on 'a list'. By posting ANYTHING HERE, you are already ON that list. |
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Thanks Wallew on the AK pistol
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When you said you are gun poor I thought you meant poor because of the number of guns you own, kind of like me. LOL If I were you I'd just concentrate on ammo for now. If a deal comes along where you can get a handgun and rifle those are how I'd do it next. Get the handgun first, then add the rifle. I have to add, don't neglect the basic three, food, water and shelter. Or, don't forget the rule of threes. If one is none and two is one, get three. |
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If you know they are going door to door, at that point it's too late. They'll have already done the 'turn in' phase so you are screwed anyway. It's like giving a bad guy a 'fake wallet'... bad guys will likely run off, in this case the cops will verify contents before they leave. If you aren't willing to defend yourself when they are at your front door, I doubt you'll ever dig those guns up your buried somewhere else anyway. "The night that comes when you need to bury your guns will see the morning that passed when you needed to dig them up." -Prometheus As to what gun next? A centerfire rifle. Preferably something multipurpose and cost effective. AK-74 in 5.45x39 is choice #1. You can hunt anything up to and including deer, surplus 1990's surplus ammo is 11.1 cents a round in spam cans, 30 round like new mags are under 10 bucks each... Can't beat it. If this was back when .308 was 10 cents a round vs nearly 50 cents a round I'd say a G3 or FAL, but it's too pricey to even think about getting into .308 for anyone on a budget, even a good sized budget. |
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Instead of 308 or 30.06, why not a Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R. They're cheaper and aren't they in the 30cal high power range? Anyone with complaints about this caliber or weapon?
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Are the steel cartridge 5.45x39 rounds that come in spam cans for the AK-74 reloadable?
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No. but they are cheap. If you want reloadable go buy brass. it is available on the net.
There are some links in this thread. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=202478 |
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You are richer than you think. The 870 is a good shotgun. I've had one for 25+ years. The shell latch eventually required restaking a few years ago after many, many rounds. Do you have a range nearby that offers handgun rentals? Everyone has a favorite handgun, and so should you! A few dollars spent on a rental might avoid a costly disappointment.
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Someone has fashioned a facsimile of the 5.45x39 using swaged .224 bullets and something like .222 Remington brass, I believe. For example: There are no brass 5.45x39mm cases on the planet. But I resize new 222 Remington brass in a RCBS 5.45x39mm dies and trim to length. Resize .224" bullets in a Lee .221" lube & size die. Then load them with a powder charge half way between the 221Rem Fireball and222Rem for the weight bullet I am using. The 5.45x39mm case capasity is 1/2 way between the two. I sent some 5.45x39mm ammo I made with Hornady 68gr hpbt match bullets to a guy in Califorina. He got sub 1" groups at 100 yards from his East German SSG-85 bolt action 5.45x39mm rifle. I shot them in one of my Romanian CUR-2 AK rifles but was really only concerned about feeding/function and fireforming the brass. I have reloaded the cases twice and only lost 3 of 100 to case splits. http://www.huntingtons.com/CustomDies.html for a full length sizing die set #56065 are $119.95. If you are going to shoot the ammo you make in a AK rifle make sure to order some CCI # 41 military spec small rifle primers as regular primers will give you slam fires. http://www.leeprecision.com/catalog....ze.html Call Lee and special order a .221" lube & size die for $25. |
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The 7.62x54r round is a great round. Nothing bad to say about it or the Mosin Nagant or Dragonov. Surplus ammo isn't as cheap as it was, but it's still inexpensive compared to 30-06 or traditional hunting calibers. FWIW most of the surplus is 'washed' steel cases that look like brass at first glance. Also they are berdan primed which sucks too. Wolf makes a line of "gold" ammo that is brass cased and boxer primed, it's about the same price as 30-06 and 30-30 however. |
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All of your comments are very helpful, so thank you all.
Based on comments thus far, I rule out anything that can't be reloaded using manufactured brass, primers, and bullets of the nominal size or that requires advanced skills (i.e., SilverCity's description of resizing 222 Remington). Reloading is a future skill that I will aquire after having the basics of supply taken care of. So 5.45x39 is out of consideration. I prefer to target my future gun acquisitions on those for which reasonably priced and widely available ammo that can be reloaded is available. I consider the price of the gun to be of less importance than the price of the manufactured ammo or cost of reloading. You buy a gun once, but you spend many times your gun purchase price in ammo. |
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http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/archiv....php/t-69.html this post is from a 7 years ago, but maybe the guy still makes brass |
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All I have to say is that ammo is cheap right now......
If you disagree with the above comment I suggest you: a) dwell on the word "perspective". b) come back to this post in exactly one year. Ammo is the least talked about PM. |
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Besides should SHTF you don't want to go looking around during/after a fire fight for your brass :no_ma: |
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You should prolly get a handgun, I'd recommend a 'pocket warmer', a snub nosed DA 38 with +P ammo. Don't buy a auto loader with safety's and gadgets (and an empty chamber to boot). In a life or death situation you won't be engaging in a long dragged out firefight .... it isn't going to be a wild, wild west show at thirty paces ....its up close and personal ... its plug 'em and run. |
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